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<p TEIform="p">January 1, 1793.</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">E</emph>. I rejoice, my good madam, to see you. You bear your years extremely
                well. You really look as fresh and blooming this morning as if you were but just out
                of your leading-strings; and yet you have -- I forget how many centuries upon your
                shoulders.</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">C.</emph> Do not you know, son, that people of my standing are by no means
                fond of being too nicely questioned about their years? Besides, my age is a point by
                no means agreed upon. </p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph"> E.</emph> I thought it was set down in the church register?</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">C</emph>. That is true; but every body does not go by your register. The
                people who live eastward of us, and have sold tea time out of mind, by the great
                wall, say I am older by a vast deal; and that long before the time when your people
                pretend I was born, I had near as much wisdom and learning as I have now.</p>
<pb n="278" TEIform="pb"/>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">E.</emph> I do not know how that matter might be; one thing I am certain of,
                that you did not know your <emph TEIform="emph">letters</emph> then; and every body knows that
                these tea-dealers, who are very vain, and want to go higher than any body else for
                the antiquity of their family, are noted for lying.</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">C</emph>. On the other hand, old <emph TEIform="emph">Isaac,</emph> the great chronicler, who
                was so famous for casting a figure, used to say that the register itself had been
                altered, that he could prove I was much younger than you have usually reckoned me to
                be. It may be so; -- for my part, I cannot be supposed to remember so far back. I
                could not write in my early youth, and it was a long time before I had a
                pocket-almanack to set down all occurrences in, and the ages of my children, as I do
                now.</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">E.</emph> Well; your exact age is not so material; -- but there is one point
                which I confess I wish much to ascertain. I have often heard it asserted, that as
                you increase in years, you grow wiser and better; and that you are at this moment,
                more candid, more liberal, a better manager of your affairs, and, in short, more
                amiable in every respect, than ever you were in the whole course of your life; and
                others, -- you will excuse me, madam, -- pretend that you are almost in your dotage;
                that you grow more intolerable every year you live; and that whereas in your
                childhood you were a sprightly innocent young creature, that <pb n="279" TEIform="pb"/>rose with
                the lark, lay down with the lamb, and thought or said no harm of any one; you are
                become suspicious, selfish, interested, fond of nothing but indulging your
                appetites, and continually setting your own children together by the ears for
                straws. Now I should like to know where the truth lies?</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">C.</emph> As to that, I am, perhaps, too nearly concerned to answer you
                properly. I will, therefore, only observe, that I do not remember the time when I
                have not heard exactly the same contradictory assertions.</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph"> E.</emph> I believe the best way to determine the question will be by facts.
                Pray be so good as to tell me how you have employed yourself in the different
                periods of your life; from the earliest time you can remember, for instance?</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">C</emph>. I have a very confused remembrance of living in a pleasant garden
                full of fruit, and of being turned out because I had not minded the injunctions that
                were laid upon me. After that, I became so very naughty, that I got a severe
                ducking, and was in great danger of being drowned.</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">E</emph>. A hopeful beginning, I must allow! Pray what was the first piece of
                work you recollect being engaged in?</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">C.</emph> I remember setting myself to build a prodigious high house of cards,
                which I childishly <pb n="280" TEIform="pb"/>thought I could raise up to the very skies. I piled
                them up very high, and at last left off in the middle, and had my tongue slit for
                being so self-conceited. Afterwards, I baked dirt in the sun, and resolved to make
                something very magnificent, I hardly knew what; so I built a great many mounds in
                the form of sugar-loaves, very broad at bottom and pointed at top: -- they took me a
                great many years to make, and were fit for no earthly purpose when they were done.
                They are still to be seen, if you choose to take the trouble of going so far.
                Travellers call them my <emph TEIform="emph">folly.</emph>
</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">E</emph>. Pray what studies took your attention when you first began to learn?</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">C</emph>. At first I amused myself, as all children do, with pictures; and
                drew, or rather attempted to draw, figures of lions and serpents, and men with the
                heads of animals, and women with fishes' tails; to all which I affixed a meaning,
                often whimsical enough. Many of these my first scratches are still to be seen upon
                old walls and stones, and have greatly exercised the ingenuity of the curious to
                find out what I could possibly mean by them. Afterwards, when I had learned to read,
                I was wonderfully entertained with stories of giants, griffins, and mermaids; and
                men and women turned into trees, and horses that spoke, and of an old man that used
                to eat up his children, till his <pb n="281" TEIform="pb"/>wife deceived him by giving him a
                stone to eat instead of one of them; and of a conjurer that tied up the wind in
                bags, and ----</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">E</emph>. Hold, hold, my good madam! you have given me a very sufficient proof
                of that propensity to the marvellous which I have always remarked in you. I suppose,
                however, you soon grew too old for such nursery stories as these. </p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">C</emph>. On the contrary, I amused myself with putting them into verse, and
                had them sung to me on holidays; and, at this very day, I make a point of teaching
                them to all my children in whose education I take any pains.</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">E</emph>. I think I should rather whip them for employing their time so idly;
                I hope at least these pretty stories kept you out of mischief?</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">C.</emph> I cannot say they did; I never was without a scratched face, or a
                bloody nose, at any period I can remember.</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">E</emph>. Very promising dispositions, truly!</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">C.</emph> My amusements were not all so mischievous. I was very fond of
                star-gazing, and telling fortunes, and trying a thousand tricks for good luck, many
                of which have made such an impression on my mind, that I remember them even to this
                day.</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">E.</emph> I hope, however, your reading was not all of the kind you have
                mentioned?</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">C.</emph> No. It was at some very famous races, which were held every four
                years for my diver-<pb n="282" TEIform="pb"/>sion, and which I always made a point to be at, that
                a man once came upon the race-ground, and read a history-book aloud to the whole
                company: there were, to be sure, a number of stories in it not greatly better than
                those I have been telling you; however, from that time , I began to take to more
                serious learning, and likewise to reckon and date all my accounts by these races,
                which, as I told you, I was very fond of.</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">E.</emph> I think you afterwards went to school, and learnt philosophy and
                mathematics?</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">C.</emph> I did so. I had a great many famous masters.</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">E.</emph> Were you a teachable scholar?</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">C.</emph> One of my masters used always to weep when he saw me; another used
                always to burst into a fit of laughter. I leave you to guess what they thought of
                me.</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">E.</emph> Pray what did you do when you were in middle age? -- that is usually
                esteemed the most valuable part of life.</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">C.</emph> I somehow got shut up in a dark cell, where I took a long nap.</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">E.</emph> And after you waked --</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">C.</emph> I fell a-disputing with all my might.</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">E.</emph> What were the subjects that interested you so much?</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">C.</emph> Several.</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">E.</emph> Pray let us have a specimen?</p>
<pb n="283" TEIform="pb"/>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">C.</emph> Whether the light of Tabor was created or uncreated; whether
                    <emph TEIform="emph">one</emph> be a number; whether men should cross themselves with two
                fingers or with three; whether the creation was finished in six days, because it is
                the most perfect number; or whether six is the most perfect number, because the
                creation was finished in six days; whether two and one make three, or only one.</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">E.</emph> And pray what may be your opinion, of the last proposition,
                particularly?</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">C.</emph> I have by no means made up my mind about it; in another century,
                perhaps, I may be able to decide upon the point.</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">E.</emph> These debates of yours had one advantage, however; you could not
                possibly put yourself in a passion on such kind of subjects.</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">C.</emph> There you are very much mistaken. I was constantly in a passion upon
                one or other of them; and if my opponent did not agree with me, my constant practice
                was to knock him down, even if it were in the church. I have the happiness of being
                able to interest myself in the most indifferent questions, as soon as I am
                contradicted upon it. I can make a very good dispute out of the question, Whether
                the preference be due to blue or green, in the colour of a jockey's cap; and would
                desire no better cause of a quarrel than whether a person's name should be spelt
                with C or with K.</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">E.</emph> These constant disputes must have had a <pb n="284" TEIform="pb"/>very bad effect
                on your younger children. How do you hope ever to have a quiet house?</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">C.</emph> And yet, I do assure you, there is no one point that I have laboured
                more than that important one of family harmony.</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">E.</emph> Indeed!</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">C.</emph> Yes; for the sake of that order and unanimity, which has always been
                dear to me, I have constantly insisted that all my children should sneeze and blow
                their noses at the same time, and in the same manner.</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">E.</emph> May I presume to ask the reason of this injunction?</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">C.</emph> Is it possible you do not see the extreme danger, as well as
                indecorum, of suffering every one to blow his nose his own way? Could you trust any
                one with the keys of your offices, who sneezed to the right when other people
                sneezed to the left; or to the left when they sneezed to the right?</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">E.</emph> I confess I am rather dull in discerning the inconvenience that
                would ensue: -- but pray have you been able to accomplish this desirable uniformity?</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">C.</emph> I acknowledge I have not; and indeed I have met with so much
                obstinate resistance to this my wise regulation, that, to tell you the truth, I am
                almost on the point of giving it up. You would hardly believe the perverseness my
                    chil-<pb n="285" TEIform="pb"/>dren have shown on the occasion; blowing their noses, locked
                up in their rooms, or in dark corners about the house, in every possible way; so
                that, in short, on pretence of colds, tender noses, or want of pocket-handkerchiefs,
                or one plea or another, I have been obliged to tolerate the uncomplying, very much
                against my will. However, I contrived to show my disapprobation, at least, of such
                scandalous irregularities, by never saying <emph TEIform="emph">God bless you,</emph> if a person
                sneezes in the family contrary to established rule.</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">E</emph>. I am glad, at least, you are in this respect got a little nearer to
                common sense. As you seem to have been of so imperious a disposition, I hope you
                were not trusted with any mischievous weapons?</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">C.</emph> At first I used to fight with clubs and stones; afterwards with
                other weapons; but at length I contrived to get at gunpowder, and then I did
                glorious mischief.</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">E.</emph> Pray, had you never any body who taught you better?</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">C.</emph> Yes; several wise men, from time to time, attempted to mend my
                manners, and reform me, as they called it.</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">E.</emph> And how did you behave to them?</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">C.</emph> Some I hunted about; some I poisoned; some I contrived to have
                thrown into prison; some I made bonfires of ; others I only laughed <pb n="286" TEIform="pb"/>at.
                It was but the other day that one of them wanted to give me some hints for the
                better regulation of my family; upon which I pulled his house down: I was often,
                however, the better for the lesson, though the teacher had seldom the pleasure of
                seeing it.</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">E.</emph> I have heard it said, you are very partial to your children; that
                you pamper some, and starve others. Pray who are your favourites?</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">C.</emph> Generally, those who do the most mischief.</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">E.</emph> Had you not once a great favourite called Louis, whom you used to
                style the immortal man?</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">C.</emph> I had so. I was continually repeating his name: I set up a great
                number of statues to him, and ordered that every one should pull off his hat to them
                as he went by.</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">E.</emph> And what is become of them now?</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">C.</emph> The other day, in a fit of spleen, I kicked them all down again.</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">E.</emph> I think I have read, that you were once much under the influence of
                an old man with a high-crowned hat, and a bunch of keys by his side?</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">C.</emph> It is true. He used to frighten me by setting his arms a-kimbo, and
                swearing most terribly; besides which, he was always threatening to put me in a dark
                hole, if I did not do as he would have me. He has conjured many <emph TEIform="emph">pence</emph>
                out of my pocket, I assure you; and he used to <pb n="287" TEIform="pb"/>make me believe the
                strangest stories! But I have now pretty nearly done with him; he dares not speak so
                big as he used to do: hardly a shoe-black will pull off his hat to him now; it is
                even as much as he can do to keep his own tight upon his head; nay, I have been
                assured that the next high wind will certainly blow it off.</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">E.</emph> You must doubtless have made great advances in the art of reasoning,
                from the various lights and experiments of modern times: pray what was the last
                philosophical study that engaged your attention?</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">C.</emph> One of the last was a system of quackery, called Animal Magnetism.</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">E.</emph> And what in theology?</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">C.</emph> A system of quackery, called Swedenborgianism</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">E.</emph> And pray what are you doing at this moment?</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">C</emph>. I am going to turn over quite a new leaf. I am singing <emph TEIform="emph">Ca
                Ira.</emph>
</p>
<p TEIform="p">
<emph TEIform="emph">E.</emph> I do not know whether you are going to turn over a new leaf or no;
                but I am sure, from this account, it is high time you should. All I can say is, that
                if I cannot mend you, I will endeavour to take care you do not spoil me; and one
                thing more, that I wish you would lay your commands on Miss Burney to write a new
                novel, and make you laugh.</p>
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